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+So I had a bit of a rant and thought I'd save it...
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+01:15 * xOr figures python wont last for ob4, but we'll see
+01:15 (xOr) since theres only so much you can do
+01:15 (xOr) and some added config files/c code can do it all
+01:16 (xOr) i mean, realisticly, how many people are going to make .py's
+01:16 (xOr) theyre going to ask me for a new feature
+01:16 (xOr) they wont write a py
+01:16 (xOr) so a clean and smart c kernel with sub modules of C code would 
+            probly be more optimal eventually
+01:17 (xOr) scripting was cool for gnus, but i wished i could just set it (mutt)
+01:17 (shrimpx) .so's would be cool in the absence of scripting, prolly
+01:17 (xOr) yea thats what im meaning
+01:17 (xOr) like engines, but for functions
+01:18 (xOr) so youd replace bbappconf witha .so that can interact properly
+01:18 (xOr) and you dont have to write all this crazy Python/c at all and you 
+            end up with something easier to configure
+01:18 (xOr) with less effort
+01:20 (@xOr) also less room for pregnancy [strong typing is good] with all C
+01:21 (@xOr) and less 'my python script wont load, tteach me python xor'
+01:44 (@xOr) what i figure would happen over slow evolution course is..
+01:44 (@xOr) python modules would be converted to python/c inline shit
+01:44 (shrimpx) xOr: you know that some wacko is going to embed python in an .so
+1:45 (@xOr) shrimpx: and itd probly be better
+01:45 (@xOr) shrimpx: cuz it would do less stuff
+01:45 (shrimpx) less stuff == less defensive programming against moron 
+                extension programmers
+01:45 (@xOr) yea
+01:45 (@xOr) and less to try learn to use it
+01:46 (@xOr) and less to screw up
+01:56 (@xOr)  and for instance, if we were to look at emacs, which is the 
+             probably most popular scripted application
+01:56 (@xOr) my .emacs is not crazy code
+01:56 (@xOr) its some keybindings
+01:56 (@xOr) and setting variables
+01:57 (shrimpx) yah but 99% of emacs functionality is in lisp
+01:57 (@xOr) ya
+01:57 (@xOr) but thats not a reason to use it
+01:57 (@xOr) or a reason why its good
+01:58 (@xOr) thats just the language of implementation
+01:58 (shrimpx) even tho it's not .rc
+01:58 (@xOr) its good because entensions are written in the same language as 
+             its implementation
+01:58 (@xOr) do vim plugins have access to the same amount of internals as 
+             emacs entensions?
+01:59 (shrimpx) no
+01:59 (@xOr) right
+01:59 (@xOr) this i think is why emacs is better than vim
+01:59 (@xOr) youcan write a crazy dope cvs.el
+01:59 (@xOr) you can write shell.el
+01:59 (@xOr) you cant do these with vim
+01:59 (@xOr) you can make hackish addons with keybindings
+02:00 (@xOr) so if openbox has .so plugins, its equally as good for exteding as 
+             with python extensions
+02:00 (@xOr) possibly better because you can access more